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The Physician Philosopher Podcast

TPP #26: Should Doctors Get Professional Coaching?

So, let’s get real for a moment. Coaching has become more and more common. That includes both the “good” kind of coaching and the “slimy” sales-person style of coaching. So, it has become challenging to determine if coaching for doctors is a good thing or not.

Let this episode put that to bed for you as we discuss what good coaching looks like, how to find it, and whether it is right for you or not.

Today You’ll Learn

  • The evidence that supports professional coaching for physicians.
  • The difference between causal coaching and advice-ladened coaching.
  • How to find a good coach.
  • And more!

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(00:01): Everywhere you go, you keep hearing the buzz about coaching. You've got questions. Does coaching work for doctors? Is it for me? Is it really all that it's cracked up to be? Or is it just a total sham? Keep listening to find out if coaching is right for you. This is the physician philosopher podcast. I'm Dr. Jimmy Turner an anesthesiologist personal finance, blogger, and life coach for doctors, physician philosopher podcast teaches you how to create the life that you deserve. One thought at a time, start before you're ready. Start by starting start now. And Hey everyone. Welcome to episode number 26 of the physician philosopher podcast, where we take an uncurated and unapologetic look into physician life. Today's thought is this professional coaching for doctors by doctors is an effective way to find balance, reduce burnout, and improve your quality of life. So tell me if this sounds familiar, you go through training as a physician, expecting that the light at the end of the tunnel, becoming an attending physician and the salary that that opportunity brings with it is going to make all of your overwhelm, your feelings of burnout and your lack of control in your life better.

(01:14): And it does for a time, then you get increasingly burned out in medicine with very little autonomy. You feel like there's really nothing you can do. You don't have control. So you start asking questions. Should I go part-time should I quit medicine altogether? Should I build nonclinical income so that I can escape this rat race? My friends, by the end of this show, I want you to know if coaching is something that could help you answer those questions, how can it help? And whether you should pursue life or business coaching as a busy physician, we're going to dive into the data. We're going to talk about what our clients say. We're going to basically present the entire case for professional coaching for physicians. So as many of you know, the alpha coaching experience is enrolling right now and only opens up two to three times per year.

(01:54): So if you listen to the other TPP podcast episodes, you probably know that what you might not know is the enrollment for the spring launch closes tonight at midnight. And so this is the case for coaching, if you will. So if you're listening to this the day, this episode drops alpha coaching experience. Enrollment ends midnight tonight. And if you're hearing this afterwards, shoot me an email at [email protected] And we'll tell you your options for those who missed the enrollment this time around as such. I want to do an episode that basically spells out all the fundamental answers to questions that you might have of whether you, a busy doctor should pursue coaching of your own. And if by the end, you think it is the right thing for you. I'll tell you how you can enroll in the alpha coaching experience to get professional coaching. So let's start with the basics, right?

(02:36): There's a lot of stuff on social media about coaching. And it actually kind of drives me crazy because there's some people out there that really give coaching a bad name. They friend people on Facebook and basically directly solicit their coaching to people that they don't know. And the entire reason that they reach out to you is because they want to have you as a client. They want you to pay them money. And this is a tactic for getting clients. And it's not one that I endorse. It's not one that I personally do. It's not one that makes me very happy either. It puts a bad name, a bad face on coaching. I don't want you to think that that's the only coaching that's out there. That's certainly not the coaching that we endorse here at the physician philosopher, as we dive into this, what exactly is coaching?

(03:14): And when we answer that, it's a bit of a loaded question. The reason why is because coaching is an unregulated industry, this is why you see so many different tactics and so many different ways of people reaching out to people. And really anyone can call themselves a coach. I know several people on Facebook who don't have any certification. They don't have any professional training and coaching. They call themselves a coach and they friend people on Facebook and it feels more like multi-level marketing or a bit of a sham. And so it makes it challenging to find a good coach because you probably lump professional coaching for doctors into this individual box, where everybody is the same way. And for the coaches that are listening. If you do those things, if you reach out to people, I'm not throwing shade your way, I'm just saying that maybe there's a better way to do business.

(03:55): Maybe there's a better way to allow people to get to know you, to see if your services are appropriate for them. And this is why all the coaches at the physician philosopher who work in the alpha coaching experience, get the same training through the life coach school, which involves significant training. It's six months of professional coach training, passing exams and practicums, where you are coaching in front of instructors until you're certifiable. It includes multiple hours of coursework and videos and class time each week for the six months that you're in it. And it also costs now like $21,000. So this is a substantial amount of money that people are investing to learn how to become a professional coach. In other words, it is very legitimate training. And for the go getters, they can do an additional six months of training after that, where they dive deeper into topics in coaching or entrepreneurial efforts to build their coaching business.

(04:41): And so there are multiple other schools out there that provide coaching. And it's an interesting thing. When you look at the different certifications that are provided, that said the life coach school is, but one of, many of them that makes it hard to find a good coach, because how much training do they have? What kind of coaching are they taught? What if they aren't good fit for you after you pay them? And it puts this thing into like this nebulous box of quote unquote coaching. That includes all of the various things from the really good training programs to the ones where there literally isn't any training at all. And while there is no one best school or certification program, I don't think I know that I loved my experience. I love my experience of the life coach school. There is one best way to coach.

(05:21): And what I'm talking about is causal coaching. So when you answer the question, like what is coaching? A lot of the coaching that you will experience out in the world is what we call a line coaching or action line coaching. What are the things that you need to do to change the results that you want in your life? I have a lot of people that come into me saying, Hey, Jimmy, I just want you to tell me what to do. You've been through burnout and overwhelm yourself. So just tell me what to do. I just want to know the steps that I need to take in order to stop being burned out. And if I just told them what to do, this would be called a line coaching. I just be giving them a bunch of action or advice, or simply focusing on the things that they need to do to make their Bernard go away.

(05:55): For example, airline coaching might look like telling people to go meditate or eat well and exercise and make sure they get eight hours of sleep and cut back at work and leave medicine, or build a physician side gig, various actions that some people have employed to deal with their burnout as a physician. And all you gotta do is just change your actions. And if you change your actions, then you change your results. The problem with this is that none of it addresses the actual problem. And we have all sorts of sayings for this in medicine, right, where you're treating the symptom, but not the disease. You're putting a bandaid on something. So that's a line coaching and it seems like it might help. It seems like what people think they want, but it's not addressing the disease. It's not addressing the problem. It's not addressing the situation.

(06:35): That's leading to everything else that that client is experiencing causal coaching. On the other hand, focuses on one thing we can control, which is our thoughts. And the reason why, if you've been tagging along on this podcast for any amount of time is because we recognize that our thoughts lead to how we feel and our feelings then produce our actions and results. So if you want to change how you feel as a burned out or overwhelmed doctor, you've got to work on the thoughts. You can't work on the actions, the actions come from how you feel. If you are burned out doctor, then you are going to be producing actions and results in your life that you may not love. But if we go back to the thought causal coaching, if we go back to the cause of your feelings, which is your thoughts about your circumstance, now we can change our circumstance too.

(07:15): And that's something that we address in coaching. Oftentimes with, you know, burned out doctors or wrong doctors or doctors looking to build physician side gigs is how to change their circumstance. Only after they've done the tough thought work. So the underlying assumption of causal coaching is that the client is an intelligent, educated, autonomous, human being. And for that reason, they have the best answers and solutions to their own problems. I, as the coach, don't need to tell them what to do. I just need to ask them questions, find out what their thoughts are, and then allow them to figure out what the best solution is for their problem. They seek coaching to help them get the answer, not to simply be told what to do. That's the difference between causal coaching and Avon coaching. And this is a much more powerful form of coaching. Causal coaching is it gets buy in from clients.

(07:54): It empowers them. And this is why good coaching asks lots of questions. It's not because we want to be Socratic in nature. And we're just trying to beat around the Bush and not provide any help to people is because real help only happens when you figure out the root cause. Not when you tell people what to do. And I laugh at this now because there's this YouTube video about a married couple, right? The video where the woman in the relationship has a nail on her head. And she keeps talking about his headache cause she's having and all this stuff, and she just wants her husband or partner to listen. And he keeps pointing out the nail in her head and that all she needs to do to fix it is just to take the nail out of her head. And I used to laugh about that because just the depiction of marriage and how my wife Kristen often just wants me to listen to her.

(08:36): And now that I've gone into coaching, I actually understand that a little bit better because as it turns out, I'm married to a very intelligent, capable woman. And so she wants me to listen and let her get her grievances out and the struggles and things that she's having going on in her life. And she doesn't need me to tell her what to do because she's an intelligent, autonomous human being. And so I used to laugh about that YouTube video of how it depicted relationships. And now I laugh about it because as a coach, I recognize it. It's got some truth to it. So coaching is really a discussion in this setting with a doctor, who's got professor for coach training who serves as a non-judgemental mirror. So they hold this space for you where you're not judged for your thoughts, no matter how good, bad or ugly they may seem to you and the coach mirrors that to allow you to find the thought that's causing your feelings actions in the way that you're showing up in your life.

(09:25): And then you determine if that's what you want. If those are the feelings, actions, and results that you want. And if not, you work on them and you come up with thoughts to help overcome the obstacles that you have in order to get to the results that you want. This is the same thing that professional players in sports get right, where they have coaches who take videos and suggest changes, and really get inside their head about what they're thinking. When they're facing a three in one fast ball, that's coming down the pipe or how they shoot their jump shot or the golf swing that they have. And then they make suggestions to change your thoughts in golf. You call this a swing thought, there's literally a name for this. What is your swing thought before you hit the ball? Coaching in sports is very similar to coaching in life or business.

(10:09): And this really begs the question. Does coaching actually work for physicians? Right? So this is great. It all sounds really good. Jimmy, does it work? And before we answer that question, I just want to point out some of the data or literature that exists out there about the cost of burnout in medicine. So the American college of physicians in 2019 had this paper that showed that approximately $4.6 billion and costs can be attributed to physician turnover and burnout in the United States. And they had arranged for that number actually was two points, 66.3 billion that's billion with a B as in boy, when brought down to an individual level, they showed that basically per physician per year, it's about $7,600 in physician costs. And those are really good and serve investments. There are other estimates that show replacing a physician costs anywhere from $250,000 to a million dollars.

(10:54): And so every time you lose it doctor to a bad culture or burnout, or what have you, it costs institutions a massive amount of money. And this obviously gets people's attention. It gets administrators attention because it's metrics, the bean counters love metrics. And I'm sure it's getting your attention too. When you hear that it's costing medicine $4.6 billion a year. So if burnout is such a big problem, does coaching actually work to help remedy some of that? Well, it turns out that there's, and it becomes some literature and some answers to this in 2019, a JAMA internal medicine article out of Mayo clinic started to answer this question. They talk about 80 doctors and they randomized them into two groups. The intervention group got six coaching sessions. So the first one was like an hour and the next five were 30 minutes each. And so they received a total of three and a half hours of coaching, right?

(11:39): This occurred over a five month period. And not to fear though, the show must go on. So just to make sure that they weren't having the burnout decrease because of the workload was decreasing because they got to get out of clinic to get this coaching. All the doctors who were in the intervention group, who got coaching were required to make up any patient volume that they missed. In other words, they added coaching on top of their busy clinic schedules and all the things that they had going on. So you might think that this would actually make their burnout worse. They think compared to this intervention group, the group that got coaching to a control group who didn't get coaching. And don't worry for those of you out there that are concerned about that. They ended up providing coaching to these doctors after the study was done.

(12:16): So what are the results? What did this jam article out of the Mayo clinic show when they compared the coaching group to the control group who didn't get in coaching? Well, it decreased emotional exhaustion by 30%. It decreased burnout. It improved quality of life and resilience simply put professional coaching for physicians works. And this is despite adding the coaching on top of their work, which you'd think would cause worst burnout because they are having to do more in addition to what they already had done. So that's a really fascinating study and is the beginning of a set of literature that shows that peer support works, that physicians talking to other physicians is helpful. And when you combine this idea, physicians talking to other physicians in peer support groups and professional coaching for doctors and both of those showing that they help burned out and overwhelmed doctors.

(13:00): That's a pretty cool idea. And so it made me think, why does coaching work for doctors? If I had to explain this to people, what would I say about the reasons that coaching seems to work? And I don't want to answer this question for myself. So based on the alpha clients that have gone through the program, they have given their own words in terms of what the program has done and specifically why it works for doctors. And I've come up with five reasons that really coaching is helpful specifically for physicians. And the first one is autonomy and control. So a big reason why doctors are burned out. I really think that the vast majority of reasons for physician burnout and moral injury come down to a single cause, which is autonomy. We feel like we've lost control of the ship. We're no longer the captain of the ship.

(13:44): We are beholden to hospital administrators or overlords as a client called them recently insurance companies, demanding patients, patient satisfaction, scores, like press Ganey scores or metrics, and all of this other stuff controls our life. And we went through all that training, expecting that when we became an attending physician, we would have control and autonomy. We would have the light at the end of the tunnel. We would find the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. And when we get done, we find out that that's not the case. And so we continually keep looking for other things to make us happy because medicine hasn't for a lot of us. And so that autonomy or lack of autonomy and lack of control is a huge cause of physician burnout. And what coaching does is it teaches doctors how to take back that control through causal coaching and teaches them how to take back the power of their life.

(14:29): It empowers them, it shows doctors how much power they're giving over to the broken medical system or to the administrators or departments where they work or to the insurance companies or patients, you name it. And it allows them to take that power back, such that those same situations can be going on. And yet they don't hold the same amount of power over the doctor's feelings or their thoughts. And so when you get at the root cause, which is the thoughts about the circumstances and teach people that they're handing all the power over someone else and then teach them how to take it back, man, that's a really powerful way to help doctors. And so that's the first reason. The second reason is a pretty cool one. So this is something that I think that everybody during the pandemic is experiencing, which is that we miss community.

(15:12): And so coaching particularly group coaching works really well because of community. And this is really interesting because group calls are highly effective. It's one of the things that almost everyone that comes into coaching in the off coaching experience say, and this was the thing that I was really nervous about. I wasn't sure if I'd be comfortable getting in front of other people and being coached about my life, whether at home or at work. And so they start off being pretty nervous about this, but by the end of it, they often say that this was a massive part, a huge part of the transformation that, that they experienced during coaching. And the reason why is because of the community. I've had really fun conversations with doctors who, for example, have a couple, several emergency medicine physicians that have been clients. And I've heard it multiple times that the community aspect, seeing other doctors who are surgeons or consultants that come down to the ER, talk about their issues with work and how that allowed the emergency medicine physicians to have more compassion and empathy towards their colleagues when they seem to be grumpy about a consult or when they are having a hard time in the ER, and take it out on the ER, doctor that's the ER, docs perspective.

(16:14): And so the empathy and the compassion that comes from these calls in building this community is really pretty cool. And it's partly because it's a nonjudgmental space where people get to talk about tough topics. They get to really hash out what's going on at home or at work or with the business. They're trying to build the power of group calls is that it teaches us that we're not alone. And when you go back to that lack of autonomy that I talked about previously, that's one of the biggest problems in medicine is that we feel like we're biased. We're on an Island and we don't have any solutions. And we feel like there's no one else that can help bus. And when you come into a community of clients that are being coached all at the same time, and you realize, gosh, I am one of many people who are struggling with life at home, balancing being a partner or a parent, or struggling at work with feeling overwhelmed or burned out.

(16:56): Like I'm not alone. That is really truly powerful. And when you see other people go through the causal coaching and really wrap their head around the thoughts that are leading to the feelings and actions and results they have in their life, and you watch them transform the community, it really makes a big difference. I think in people's experience, the third reason is that humans need mirrors. If we weren't a communal tribe of beings, we would just all live in igloos. We would live in houses by ourselves. We wouldn't have families. We wouldn't have friends. We wouldn't seek out social interaction. And we wouldn't really ask for advice. And that's not how humans work. Like we all want mentors. We all want people in our life that we can ask for advice in tough situations. And the reason that we ask for advice is because humans need mirrors.

(17:43): We need people around us that show us our thought process that shows who we are that show us what we're doing. That some accountability even sometimes, and we know this is true, right? Because how many of you have had a really tough clinical situation where you're like, man, I got this one patient. I'm not really sure what to do. And so you could find a colleague that you respect, you ask them about the situation. And before you even finished talking, as the words are coming out of your mouth, you're like, Oh gosh, I know what to do the process of getting your words, thoughts that you have out of your head in front of someone else proves to be really powerful. And we see this all the time clinically. I know as an anesthesiologist, I'll have a really tough patient, super sick, having a tough procedure.

(18:20): I need to think out of the box a little bit about how to design their anesthetic for the case so that they can have safe surgery and make it out on the other side with the best possible outcome. And I will go and talk to and find people just so that I can get my thoughts out. And half the time before they even say anything, I have a really good idea of what I want to do because I've allowed the thoughts out of my head and in that person to serve as a mirror. And so the story that I tell all the time with this as the golf analogy, right? Like I used to snap hook my drive. In other words, for the non-golfers out there, I would hit a drive and basically hit it straight left, like 90 degrees straight left into trees, houses, you name it.

(18:57): I've played golf since medical school. And I've never done that before. And so I went and got a swing lesson cause I couldn't figure it out. I couldn't figure out what I was doing. And I had some ideas, my swing wasn't perfect. And so I would try to fix these things at the range or while playing usually with my buddy, Mike and I just couldn't do it. She couldn't fix it. So I wouldn't go to swing lesson. They take a video of me and before the guy even says anything, he shows me the video and I get to experience the worst golf swing I've ever seen in my life just by him showing me a video of myself. So I already have some ideas about what he's going to say about what I need to fix, but then he proceeds to ask me like, Hey, what do you think when you go back in your backswing?

(19:32): I'm like, you know, I don't know. I go back and at the point where I feel like I'm at the back of my backswing, I come back down and hit the ball. And he said, well, you do realize that the back of your backswing, the top of your swing is way too far. And it comes from my roots, playing baseball, growing up, played baseball my entire life. So I'm used to having a bent elbow when I swing a club. And he said, why don't you just go back and want you just have the thought that you're gonna go halfway back and sure enough, I just had the swing thought, I'm gonna go halfway back. And I start pounding the ball down the middle of the fairway again. And he shows me the video and sure enough, I'm taking a full swing. Even though my thought is that I'm going to take a half a swing.

(20:03): I'm taking a full swing. So all he did was change my thoughts and that changed the very physical, tangible results of me hitting a golf ball down the middle of the fairway. So professional sports coaching, it's very similar to life and business coaching. It's just that we're talking about your life and your career or the business you're trying to build instead of how to hit a little white ball down the fairway and the process of having someone else serve as your mirror, as your coach for humans. Super important. The fourth reason is self-compassion. So doctors often lack self-compassion as a hallmark of burnout. Like we just think very low of ourselves. We don't have a lot of room for excuses. We're really a tough master on ourselves. We don't believe making excuses and medicine. It's usually our fault. When we have a bad outcome, it's something that we as physicians feel responsible for.

(20:44): It's a coating teaches how to change that narrative about our struggles, our perceived mistakes, the hardships that we have in life, how to have some more self-compassion and to look at the facts and then tell ourselves a different story that isn't so shameful or regretful or whatever is going on. I can't tell you the number of doctors we coach, where they have a lot of resentment towards medicine or bitterness because they have a bad outcome or they have a schedule that gets thrown just completely awry because of emergencies. So they don't get everything done. They want to get done. And the shame that it brings when they have a bad outcome or things get blown up, or they don't get the paper written or whatever, and coaching teaches us how to change the narrative about what happens. It allows us to have some self-compassion. It allows us to choose curiosity over shame.

(21:27): There's an entire episode on that for those that want to listen and you learn how to work through struggle. And instead of trying to avoid it. So many of us spend so much time trying to avoid negative feelings in our life. We're just unwilling to feel failure or uncertainty or shame. And coaching teaches us how to process those feelings in a way that we're no longer trying to avoid them by buffering with alcohol or staying busy or working too much, or checking your cell phone every five seconds, because you don't know how to be bored. Coaching helps us have self-compassion while we're going through that process and trying to become better people trying to become better partners, parents and physicians. Self-compassion something that's really lacking in medicine. And this is one of the other reasons why coaching works for doctors. And the last reason I'll mention is that peer to peer stuff has been shown to be really helpful.

(22:10): And so the fifth reason is that doctors, coaching doctors is really powerful. If you go get coaching from a lot of people, they will not be physicians. And that's probably fine. It's not that you can't get anything from that. I would never say that. But what I will tell you is that in my experience, if you get professional coaching from people that aren't physicians on stuff that's happening at work, you're going to spend half your time explaining what you're talking about. The words that are coming out of your mouth are not even gonna sound like English to them because they don't do medicine. And so professional coaches from doctors who have professional training and coaching really makes a difference. And one of the alpha clients said, doctors are super smart. Like they know what to do. They just need to have a place to have that compassionate, nonjudgmental space where someone can serve as a mirror to help them figure out the process to go through this.

(22:55): They don't need to be told what to do. They need to spend time talking it out to figure out the root of the problem, and then given space to form the right solution for them. It might not be the right solution for you. And a lot of coaches when they first started, they like want to jump in and tell people exactly what to do, let the other person figure out and good coaching does that. And good coaching from physicians for physicians super helpful because they know where you're coming from. They have that perspective that many other coaches don't. So those are five reasons that I think that coaching from the alpha clients' perspectives really work. They talk about autonomy. They talk about community. They talk about the need to have someone mirror their thoughts self-compassion that comes out of it. And then the doctors coaching doctors aspect, which is pretty rare, a lot of programs have coaches that aren't physicians.

(23:37): So now that you've made it this far into the show, you're probably asking yourself, Hey, great coaching sounds like it's really powerful. Sounds like it works. There's literature to support it. And I'm looking to either create autonomy or freedom or balance in my life. How do I get the coaching that I need? Well, my friends, the alpha coaching experience enrollment closes the 22nd of February, which the day, this episode comes out at midnight that's tonight. If you're listening to this right now, so time to figure out what you want to do. This is a program that other doctors have called life-changing and an inflection point in their personal and professional lives. Remember that from above, when we, it, the professional coaching that has been shown that you need six sessions, three and a half hours of coaching. When the alpha coaching experience is 12 weeks long and includes a ton of opportunities to get coached.

(24:22): And it's kind of like a choose your own adventure novel. I used to love those. When I was a kid, you can take part in everything that you want or pick the calls that work for you. You can choose your own adventure. So this 12 week program keep in mind, you only need six calls to have a statistically and clinically significant difference in your burnout, your resilience, your quality of life. This 12 week program has two weekly group calls. And so group calls me and coming on and getting coached from the other people. And you have a chat box for a support group for that community aspect. And if you want to, you can, if you don't want to ever jump on in front of the camera and get coaching from or people that you don't have to so completely up to you. But the two topics that we do each week, one call is on life and career coaching.

(24:59): So home and work topics, and one call is on business and money. For those that are looking to build a nonclinical income through online physician side gigs, or to work on their money mindset. So that's two calls already, 12 weeks, 24 group calls. You can come to some of them come to all of them, pick your, choose your adventure, right? And then there's also a weekly one-on-one coaching with an alpha coach for 30 minutes. So by itself, that's 1230 minute calls at six hours of coaching. You only need three and a half to have substantial difference. And this is coming from doctors, coaching doctors. This means that you get 12 calls. You only need six of them. You only need three and a half hours that in and of itself, if you didn't even go to the group calls, which clients really liked. But if you didn't go to them, that in and of itself would be worth the cost of admission and would allow for a significant improvement in your life.

(25:45): You also get access to a physician, coaching library, think of this like Netflix, for coaching. We create courses and videos on specific topics that doctors care about. And we provide ideas for your coaching calls through those. And you can also go through them on your own. Like, Hey, this is a topic I don't really feel comfortable right now. Talk with somebody about, but I'd love to go learn about it on my own and work through the PDF workbooks that accompany those and sort out my own. Yeah. Thoughts before our call or by itself. We also bring in focus calls where we have outside speakers or alpha coaches provide talks on specific topics. So we've had some on charting efficiency, you plan on reaching out to outside speakers and bringing them in. And the only place that you can experience, those is inside the alpha coaching experience.

(26:22): And then of course I mentioned the supportive community. So you get texts, access to alpha coaches in between calls. And so you can pick and choose from any or all of those things that I just mentioned. They all get provided. And if you're like me, you want to check out the reviews before you move forward with anything. And so there are awesome video testimonials from, I think at this point, like eight or 10 of the clients that have gone through the alpha coaching experience, they give their words for what the program's worth, what it's like, the changes that they experienced to check out those video testimonials, to enroll in the program. You can do all of that by going to the physician, philosopher.com/alpha, or by clicking the link that's in the show, note description and your podcast player, every podcast player has a description for the show.

(26:59): You just find the link and click it, go watch the videos. See what other doctors like you are saying. And as you do this, I want you to remember two things. One is that you are worth the investment. As one of the alpha clients puts it. If coaching helps you decrease your burnout and improve your quality of life, if it even adds six months or a year to your career, if it allows you to enjoy life more at home and at work, you stop having that arrival fallacy where keep looking for things to make you happy, and you learn how to enjoy the journey. It is worth the investment. You are worth the investment. And that's how I would encourage you as a personal finance, blogger and podcasts are for the past three years to look at this, it is a personal investment in you.

(27:36): The second thing is that I want you to remember the coaching works. This has been shown in studies. It's been shown in our own alpha clients, the videos and testimonials you'll watch. They attest to all of that. So check out their unedited reviews. We literally just took them and uploaded the videos that the client sent us on the alpha coaching experience page there eight or 10 of them straight from their mouths. We put them up exactly as they recorded them. And so go check it out and see what other doctors think. And if you want to get the coaching you need create the life you deserve. You can do that by going to the physician, philosopher.com/alfa, or by clicking the link in the description of your podcast player. So as we round out this show, I just want to say that coaching has been profoundly impactful in my own life, in decreasing my burnout and my overwhelm.

(28:17): And that's why I became a coach to help other doctors. And that's our calling it, the physician philosophers help as many doctors as we can create the life that they deserve through online courses and coaching. We're trying to help people. So if this podcast is helpful for you, fantastic, keep listening to it. It's a freeway to also work on your thoughts, but coaching takes that to another level. And so if you're interested in it, visit the physician philosopher.com/alpha. And today's thought is this professional coaching for doctors by doctors is an effective way to find balance, reduce burnout, and improve your quality of life. So until next time, my friends start before you're ready. Start by starting start. Now.

(28:54): My dad, Jimmy Turner is a physician first personal applying. It's blogger. You know, I've coached for doc. However, he is not your physician or your life coach. You also isn't a financial advisor, financial planner or accountant. Anything discussed in this podcast is for general education and entertainment purposes. I have coaching style substitute for therapy, medicine, or medical treatment. However, if you're a doctor looking for a life coach, you can reach out to my [email protected]

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